On Whaling in Japan

Filed under: Uragawa, Shasetsu - Op/Ed
Posted by Garrett DeOrio at 10:43 pm on Monday, October 23, 2006

From Burkhard Bilger’s “The Lunchroom Rebellion” under the heading “In the Kitchen” in the September 4, 2006 issue of The New Yorker, in the course of an otherwise fine article on a chef trying to improve public school food:

“Children can learn to eat almost anything, given time. In Mexico, they consume fiery chilies; in Japan, whale meat; in Sweden, pickled herring.”

Wait a second. Hold on. In Mexico, kids eat fiery chilies. OK. As far as I know, that’s largely true. Many Mexican kids do eat fiery chilies. I don’t know how popular pickled herring is these days among kids in Sweden, but I saw pickled herring being served in restaurants and hawked to tourists on my one (admittedly brief) trip to Sweden, so I can believe that kids would eat it, even like it.

Kids in Japan, though, rather rarely even eat whale, much less learn to like it.

First, the disclaimers: I know I’m picking on four words out of a very good article that runs nearly seven pages. Those four words are just what made me decide to write this. The proverbial straw that broke the camel’s back. (The article is not even about Japan, much less whaling, at all.) I know Japan does indeed have commercial whaling and I know that whale meat was foisted on elementary schools in Wakayama. I also know that it is possible to order whale in both nice and cheap restaurants.

My point here is to try to clarify the issue of whaling and whale meat, from an observer’s perspective, because it is an oft-debated issue with a boatload of misinformation being thrown around.

First, a brief rundown of what is going on.

Until this year, a moratorium on commercial whaling, as agreed upon by the IWC (International Whaling Commission) had been in place since 1986, after being agreed to in 1982. Japan decided not to oppose this vote mainly because of their fear of US sanctions. Since then, though, Japan has continued to hunt whales, primarily Antarctic minke, of which the Japan Whaling Association (JWA), citing IWC estimates, says there are roughly 761,000, and of which Japanese whaling vessels killed 1,073, including forays into Antarctic whale sanctuaries. Last year, though, Japan added the endangered fin whale to its list, planning to catch 50 this year. The JWA says there are 47,300 fin whales in the world. To round out last year’s totals, Japanese whaling vessels killed ten fin whales, 100 Sei whales (not mentioned on the JWA site), 50 Bryde’s whales (pronounced bru-des, a close cousin to the Sei and also not mentioned on the JWA site), and five sperm whales (also not mentioned on the IWC site. Of all of those species, only minke and sperm whales seem to have relatively large populations (a few hundred thousand animals, possibly more than one million in the case of sperm whales, although that is debated.) Most species of whale are classified as endangered, or at least protected, by international agreements, including decisions of the IWC.

“How can they hunt so many whales if they agreed to a moratorium that just ended? And why was the moratorium lifted if most of the hunted species are still endangered or protected?” you might ask.

The only logical answer, assuming that no one is lying, is that, despite Japan’s position at the forefront of so many areas of scientific and technological advance, the generally high quality of Japanese schools, and even the much-vaunted Japanese work ethic (the Government likes that one), Japanese cetologists are absolutely incompetent.

I don’t think Japanese cetologists are incompetent. I don’t think they need up and over 1,000 minke whales a year for research. I think they’ve learned most of what they’re going to learn from dead, harpooned, dissected minke whales.

In other words, there’s some lying going on. Japan now holds the rotating chairmanship of the IWC and set about, as their first act, getting a lot of poor landlocked countries, such as Mongolia, to back them up in a push to repeal the moratorium. I’m not sure why Mongolia is even in the IWC. Japan says it did not offer increases in foreign aid or cash payments in exchange for the support of those countries, but they also say they need to kill thousands of whales every year for research purposes. The only country that seems to be legitimately on Japan’s side in this is Norway. While I’m sure there is some controversy surrounding Norway’s positions within Norway, I’ll say no more of it here only because it appears that Norway makes money off of whaling and that makes their case for it better than Japan’s.

Now, I’m not saying that profit makes everything OK. I am, however, saying that profit is a comprehensible reason for doing something. You might say that Japan must be making money off of those whales it hunts, otherwise they would not risk the opprobrium of so large a section of the international community and the enormously bad PR. You would be wrong.

Normally, in such a situation, there would be a demand for the product, in this case whale meat or other whale products, and suppliers, in this case whalers, would try to obtain as much product as they could sell. That would be the ideal capitalist case for whaling and is what caused decreases in whale populations around the world in the 19th century. That’s the cycle that has caused such a precipitous drop in Atlantic cod populations in more recent years. That is not what is going on with whaling in Japan.

Some in the Japanese pro-whaling set claim that it’s culture, that it is unfair to ask Japan to stop whaling because whaling and whale meat are integral to Japan’s cultural identity. This is, possibly, slightly more true than saying that whaling is integral to modern mainstream French or American identity.

Yes, whaling has a history in Japan, people have hunted whales and used whale products, including edible meat and blubber, since at least 712 AD, just as they have in many other countries. When Commodore Matthew Perry pulled his famous black steamships into the harbor at Shimoda in 1853, he asked for what seafarers in those days always wanted - the rights to land, maybe get some food, and reload on coal. He also wanted whaling rights in Japanese waters. In that respect, whaling was a large factor in Japan’s initially being pressured to open up, which led to many other reforms and not a small amount of turbulence. But there are many other aspects of late-Edo period Japanese culture that are no longer considered important - a taboo against eating meat from four-legged animals, for instance. (Japan is now second only to the US in the number of McDonald’s restaurants per capita and McDonald’s is far from alone in selling large amounts of four-legged animal flesh to everyone from elementary school kids to me to my mother-in-law.)

In the lean post-World War II years, whale was a widely distributed foodstuff as whales were relatively easy to catch and are enormous, thus providing a lot of calories at relatively low expense. People, especially children ate whale largely because a hungry person eats what he can. People also develop a fondness for the foodstuffs of their childhood, which is why Hoppy and Denki-Bran still sell despite the ready availability of easily affordable beer and whiskey.

Japan has let many aspects of its traditional culture fall by the wayside as it kept or even bolstered others - every nation has. Just as Hartford, Connecticut discovered insurance and in none the worse-off for it, most Japanese whaling centers have since moved on. Married women no longer blacken their teeth, taxes are no longer paid in rice, boys are no longer encouraged to die for the emperor, and whale is no longer, if it ever truly was, a staple. This is natural, this is good. This is progress.

Some Inuit and otehr indigenous groups in many areas, especially Greenland and the arctic and Pacific Northwest of North America, are rightly allowed to continue whaling because they use traditional methods and are preserving a culture that is both endangered and centered on whaling. None of that applies to Japan in any way.

As I write, it has been announced that Iceland has killed a fin whale, thus joining the resurgence in whaling. Japan’s chairing of the IWC might be having an impact. Iceland sees it as an industry. It is not one, in any sensible way, in Japan.

So, the question remains: Why does Japan hunt whales?

Here’s the answer: No one seems to really know.

They’re losing money on it. Apparently a lot of money. Whalers make money in ultimately one way in Japan: government subsidies. Why is whale meat making its way back into schools? Because no one is buying it, even at the heavily subsidized prices at which it is sold. When it takes a crew on an expensive ship weeks to go down to Antarctica to kill whales with expensive equipment, whale meat loses the economic and efficiency benefits it once had.

We’ll set aside for the risks that whale meat poses to children - PCB, dioxin, mercury, and the highest concentration of Endocrine Disrupting Compounds (EDCs) found in any animal all having been found in the blubber of minke whales, which are Japan’s favorite research subjects, you recall. (Perhaps I’m going at it the wrong way. Perhaps the scientific research being done is on what happens when you poison schoolchildren to legitimize some kind of political agenda.) We’ll just focus on economics here.

There of 5,000 tons of frozen whale meat sitting in storage in Japan. 5,000 tons of product for which there is a minuscule demand at best. On top of the costs of storing, and keeping frozen, 5,000 tons of frozen whale meat are the costs of the expeditions to go, literally, to the other side of the Earth to get more product for which there is no demand. There is also the cost of subsidizing the whale butchers, hawkers, and transporters, all of whom get enraged when they feel they’re not getting the support they deserve to engage in an industry that, in many cases, was dead when they entered it. All for a product people only want when they’re either repeatedly told that they want it or when it is forced on them. Someone failed high school economics here. As with many government subsidies for pointless production, in many countries, it would make a lot more economic sense to just give huge cash payouts to everyone who depends directly on the industry and let it die.

But that would make sense and sense is not what’s going on here. Instead, the government of Japan spends money to get landlocked countries to back it in the IWC, it spends money to push whale meat onto a largely unreceptive market (it’s own people), it spends money to continue to procure even more whale, it spends money on a public relations campaign to deflect criticism, and it spends money on all the accoutrements for which there is insufficient space in this article.

So, why does Japan hunt whales?

Maybe they want to make Burkhard Bilger appear prescient.


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Comment by ken

October 24, 2006 @ 12:41 am

I doubt they’ve heard of Burkhard Bilger, so your argument there isn’t flying with this reader!

I think I see your point. I should get my wife to blacken her teeth, pay my taxes in rice and die for the emperor. That’s a tall order, but I’ll see what I can do…

Seriously, someone must really be behind this, trying to make it work. Someone really, really stubborn. Stubborn enough to poison the nation’s children (without asking for permission) and also patients in hospitals. I don’t see the people speaking out against it, and Greenpeace’s efforts are only likely to turn it into an Us vs. Them thing (ie, Japan vs. the Rest of The World), which won’t help at all.

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Comment by DeOrio

October 24, 2006 @ 1:15 am

I completely agree. I figure there’s got to be money to follow somewhere - there are accepted kickbacks for highway and bridge projects, so why not whaling?
Greenpeace does some good work (not least providing two of the three photos in the article), but they do tend to anger people and seem not to understand tact, which really hurts them.

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Comment by david@tokyo

October 24, 2006 @ 11:46 am

Re the 1,000 whales,
- The quota in the Antarctic is 850 +/- 10%. They are studying the *population* of minke whales in the Antarctic - not just “hey how do these whale things work?”. They want to know about the biological characteristics of the whale population as a whole. They recently increased their sample size stating that with their previous sample size it took too long to observe trends in these biological characteristics of the population (which have been changing recently). With their enlarged sample size they believe that they will be able to observe changes in these parameters sooner.

- Another component of the minke whale quota is in the North Pacific. This population of whales is completely distinct (a different species of minke in fact) from the whales in the Antarctic. The objectives of the research in the North Pacific are of a different nature.

You can read about the objectives of Japan’s research programmes at http://www.icrwhale.org. It’s quite hard going for those without knowledge of fisheries management etc, but if you try to put yourself in the shoes of people who are trying to make for the optimum use of marine resources as food, including whales, then it should be a little clearer.

I don’t want to get sidetracked by IWC politics, but you note with skepticism that Mongolia is an IWC member and supports whaling. Just to be fair, consider this information:
http://whaling-faq.blogspot.com/2006/05/faq-3.html

> The only country that seems to be legitimately on Japan’s side in this is Norway.

Hey how about Iceland? Russia? China? South Korea? Denmark? These are just some nations that voted with japan at the recent IWC meeting.

> Why does Japan hunt whales?

It’s quite clear. Japan supports the principle of sustainable use of natural resources, and is afraid that if it caves on the whaling issue, it would set a bad precedent for Japan’s other industries that rely on this principle.

I personally believe that nations that support Japan at the IWC also support this principle of sustainable use of natural resources. Especially in developing nations - if they are to have it dictated to them which of their resources they can and can not use, how can they ever hope to develop economically?

That’s my opinion. If you look at the nations accused of taking bribes, this is a very consistent theme:
http://david-in-tokyo.blogspot.com/2006/07/iwc-2006-voices-of-developing-nations.html

> They’re losing money on it. Apparently a lot of money.

Well, a bit. But if it is genuine research (which I certainly believe), then is that strange?

Of course, if it was a pure commercial operation, that would be strange.

This fact supports the belief that indeed there is real research going on.

> Because no one is buying it,

That’s completely incorrect. I’ve bought it myself, several times. It’s on sale in various restaurants. Clearly people are buying it.

> There of 5,000 tons of frozen whale meat sitting in storage in Japan. 5,000 tons of product for which there is a minuscule demand at best.

OK, so we’ve gone from no demand to miniscule demand, but again facts indicate otherwise. In July this year (the month after the high profile IWC 58 meeting) 1,700 tonnes of the stuff was shipped.
At an annual pace that sort of demand would outstrip supply:
http://david-in-tokyo.blogspot.com/2006/09/2006-whale-meat-stockpile-movements.html

Finally, with regard to the health risks of whale meat, that has been assessed as well, and for whale meat from the Antarctic, it was found to be extremely low in health risk (whales in the Antartic feed at a low trophic level). For species in the North Pacific contaminants are higher, but it depends on the whale species eaten, as well as the part of the whale that is eaten.

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Comment by DeOrio

October 24, 2006 @ 7:38 pm

David,
Thanks for the comment and thanks for the links. Now, here goes:

Population characteristics in any population of anything are going to change over time. Taking such an enormous chunk of a population, especially in large amounts at one time (as they do when they bring back a number of whales from, say, an Antarctic feeding ground) is not a statistical sample and is just bad science. Also, if they\\\’re looking for changes over time, increasing the take within a year is not going to make trends much easier to observe. Most important, by hunting large numbers of whales, then butchering them for commercial sale, they\\\’re hindering their own research. Any idea what characteristics they\\\’re looking for? The very fact that the whales are killed first and studied second, if at all (not every whale sees a scientist), automatically eliminates any kind of study of behavior or the physiological traits of the living animal, therefore their research is limited to changes in anatomical traits, something taking over 1,000 minke whales from two populations (as they did last year) is not going to help.
I don\\\’t buy the research angle for a second.

Is that quite clear? I think it\\\’s anything but clear. To say that whaling can be done sustainably is one thing, to imply that whaling actually helps improve sustainable use of resources is just plain disingenuous. This implies that not hunting whales is going to harm the population or lead to some other ecological disaster. The JWA claims that whales eat so many fish that fish populations would be endangered if whaling were stopped. Thankfully, you didn\\\’t bring that nutty point up, but I add it here just to show the kind of arguments, clearly pulled out of someone\\\’s tuchus when pressed, that are put forth by the body that most advances the research argument. The JWA, in its concern for fish stocks, makes no calls for any kind of reduction in commercial fishing, for the culling of large predator fish, for reductions in water pollution, or anything of the sort.

And what other industries that rely on sustainable use policies would be hurt by a reduction in or halt to whaling? If Japan abides by the 1982 agreement it signed, are non-whaling countries going to invade and force the clear-cutting of forests? That\\\’s an Evel Knievel-esque leap over the Grand Canyon of logic.

Hey how about Iceland? Russia? China? South Korea? Denmark? These are just some nations that voted with japan at the recent IWC meeting.\\\”>OK, I\\\’ll give you that point. . . partially. I\\\’ll add Iceland to Norway. My point there, which was unclear, was nations that supported Japan and were engaged in whaling themselves. That was unclear and misleading. I apologize.

How would agreeing not to support whaling nations in their whaling be ceding control over their resources to outside forces or nations? While I agree that wealthier nations, such as Japan, might well take advantage of the resources of poorer ones, I don\\\’t think there\\\’s any credible reason to link the failure to support whaling to this.

Of course, if it was a pure commercial operation, that would be strange.

This fact supports the belief that indeed there is real research going on.\\\”>I think the research argument is flimsy at best, so I naturally disagree with you there. Of course, if there were good reason to believe the research argument, the loss of money would support the view, that\\\’s true.
I think this fact supports the belief that there\\\’s real corruption going on. There\\\’s strong precedent for that and it doesn\\\’t require acrobatic feats of justification.

OK, first, that\\\’s hyperbole and it\\\’s obvious from the context that it is. Second, I\\\’ve bought it, too. I clearly acknowledge more than once in the article that it is bought and sold. Third, a couple of anecdotes like you and I having purchased whale do not make a case, much less a viable market for whale meat.
(Other than that point, I actually really like your argument and admire the way it\\\’s put forth.)

At an annual pace that sort of demand would outstrip supply\\\”>Come on, shipping the meat doesn\\\’t mean there\\\’s actual demand. As I said in the article, the demand is artificial. Governments at various levels have directed and ordered organizations such as public hospitals and school boards to purchase the stuff. To say that shipping 1,700 tons means there\\\’s that level of demand is like saying that Japanese rice must be produced as cheaply as foreign rice just because it maintains a stable market share and ignoring the massive tariffs on rice imports.

Even there were 1,700 tons of demand, it would outstrip supply only if the influx of more whale meat were kept at a minimum.

How much mercury, EDC, PCB, or dioxin would you knowingly ingest? Which parts of a whale are safe to eat and which aren\\\’t? Why isn\\\’t the JWA, during its non-commercial research publicizing this information?

This points to it not being research.

David, seriously, thank you for the good comment. I hope to hear back from you.

One last point. I\\\’ve noticed that pro-whaling arguments always hone in on the minke and strip out the endangered species pretty quickly. Is hunting Bryde\\\’s, Sei, Fin, and Sperm whales part of the push for sustainability, too?

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Comment by david@tokyo

October 24, 2006 @ 11:32 pm

Hi,

Your response seems very mangled, but I’ll see if I can read it :-)

You talk about Japan taking an “enormous chunk” of the population. They are only taking 850 whales out of the population which even the most pessimistic of estimates put at at least 200,000 whales.

This doesn’t strike me as “enormous” by any stretch of the imagination, and furthermore, their sampling method involves whales being selected for sampling after being spotted during sighting surveys. Without going into the details of that, the result is that whales are sampled in various parts of the Antarctic ocean where the research is being conducted.

Their sampling method has been reviewed by the IWC Scientific Committee in the past, and it certainly wasn’t regarded in the review report as “not a statiscal sample and bad science”, as you claim…

Indeed, if one cares to read the IWC homepage:
http://www.iwcoffice.org/conservation/permits.htm#jarpa

“The Scientific Committee identified a number of areas of future work but agreed that none of the identified sampling and stock identity problems would in principle prevent the programme achieving its stated objectives with respect to the estimation of biological parameters.”

See? The Scientific Committee saw no unsurmountable problem with the sampling method.

Further:

“The Committee also noted that the programme is contributing useful information on the role of minke whales in the Antarctic ecosystem, particularly with information on feeding and energetics, as well as providing some information relevant to the Committee’s work on pollution studies and the effect of environmental change on cetaceans.”

Still Further:

“The Committee also noted that while JARPA results were not required for management under the Revised Management Procedure (RMP), they had the potential to improve it in the following ways: (1) reductions in the current set of plausible scenarios considered in RMP Implementation Simulation Trials; and (2) identification of new scenarios to which future Implementation Simulation Trials will have to be developed (e.g. the temporal component of stock structure). The results of analyses of JARPA might allow an increased allowed catch of minke whales in the Southern Hemisphere without increasing the depletion risk above the level indicated by the existing Implementation Simulation Trials for these minke whales.”

You ask: Any idea what characteristics they’re looking for?

Absolutely :-) I’ve read all about their research objectives. I suggest you take the time to do so as well. Such information is available at http://www.icrwhale.org/ , and some of the objectives are alluded to in the quotes from the Scientific Committee that I pasted above.

You note: “The very fact that the whales are killed first and studied second, if at all (not every whale sees a scientist), automatically eliminates any kind of study of behavior or the physiological traits of the living animal, therefore their research is limited to changes in anatomical traits”

Bingo. The ICR research has not much to do with behaviour. Remember the objective of the Japanese government? It is to make possibility sustainable whaling industry. Why would the sponser research about behaviour? It’s not going to serve the Japanese any purpose. To make for sustainable whaling, the scientific information that can help you is info related to natural rates of increase in the population, natural mortality rates, currnet age strcuture of the population, and so on. This information was alluded to in the Scientific Committee review comments that I posted above as well.

You note: “I don’t buy the research angle for a second.”

Well, you might like to reconsider things. As indicated by the quotes I presented from the IWC Scientific Committee review from 1997, they do see value in the results, even if you do not. I suppose, I’m left in the unpleasant situation of having to ask you whether you would have me believe you over the IWC Scientific Committee?

By the way, the IWC Scientific Committee has another review of the completed JARPA programme scheduled for the beginning of this December.

You say: “How would agreeing not to support whaling nations in their whaling be ceding control over their resources to outside forces or nations?”

It amounts to setting a bad precedent.

The point is, these nations support the principle on which the cetacean eating nations of the world justify their activities.

It has often been noted that the reason Japan is so stubborn over whaling is because it is worried about which resources could come next, if they cave to what they see (as do I, I confess) irrational demands about whaling.

And there have been instances of developing nations have trade opportunities cut off. For example, protection groups succeeded in having a ban in ivory trade imposed in 1989, which was supported by Kenya where poaching was rife. However, in southern africa (Zimbabwe etc) they had been managing their elephant populations quite well, but the trade ban hit them in the pocket.

It’s very important to stand up for principles that one believes in, I feel.

You say: “Come on, shipping the meat doesn’t mean there’s actual demand.”

Why would it be shipped anywhere if someone wasn’t buying it?

You say: “As I said in the article, the demand is artificial. Governments at various levels have directed and ordered organizations such as public hospitals and school boards to purchase the stuff.”

Recent news reports in Japan indicate that that sales in some areas are up by 50%. Maruetsu supermarkets was one of these - apparently they have around ten whale products on sale, IIRC (it was on NHK on Oct 17). Hananomai izakaya has put whale products on it’s standard menu recently, and apparently one of the dishes is in their top ten sellers.
http://david-in-tokyo.blogspot.com/2006/09/whaling-market-japanese-perspective-2.html

Neither Maruetsu nor Hananomai have anything to do with government. They are private operators, and they have observed increasing sales of their whale products.

So, I think its clearly false to deny that there is increasing whale meat consumption in Japan that is privately driven.

You say: “Even there were 1,700 tons of demand, it would outstrip supply only if the influx of more whale meat were kept at a minimum.”

Well, the bulk of Japan’s whale meat supply comes from sales of the by-products from the research programmes. This meat goes on sale after the conclusion of the JARPA programme in the first half of the year, and the JARPN programme by-products go on sale in the latter half.

If you check the figures I presented on my blog, you’ll see this quite clearly. There was hardly any incoming stock in May and June, but heaps in March and April when the JARPA fleet returned. The whale meat in those off months is likely from whales that are by-caught in fishing nets.

You ask: “How much mercury, EDC, PCB, or dioxin would you knowingly ingest?”

Well, if you put me on the spot, I can’t remember the health guidelines, but if I was worried enough I would look them up, and give you whatever answer the Ministry of Health provides.

You ask: “Why isn’t the JWA, during its non-commercial research publicizing this information?”

I can’t speak for the JWA.

You say: “David, seriously, thank you for the good comment. I hope to hear back from you.”

Well, it’s my pleasure :-) I love a good old rarkup on the whaling debate :-)

You finish with: “I’ve noticed that pro-whaling arguments always hone in on the minke and strip out the endangered species pretty quickly. Is hunting Bryde’s, Sei, Fin, and Sperm whales part of the push for sustainability, too?”

Bryde’s whales are not endangered by any stretch of the imagination, in fact the IWC Scientific Committee will next year finish the work it is doing on preparing to be able to provide advice on sustainable catch limits for the North Pacific Bryde’s stock.

Here is a report from the IWC homepage on this:
http://www.iwcoffice.org/_documents/sci_com/workshops/SC-58-Rep1.pdf
This is just the first part of the work, it continues next year.
As noted at the IWC page:
“the Scientific Committee’s work on implementing the RMP would only allow it to make recommendations on safe removal limits for some stocks of common minke whale (in the North Atlantic and North Pacific). It is in the process of completing work on western North Pacific Bryde’s whales and it will begin the final two years of work on North Atlantic fin whales next year. ”
http://www.iwcoffice.org/conservation/iceland.htm

Sei whales are fairly abundant in the North Pacific where Japan is hunting them (I’ve got some notes on that here:
http://david-in-tokyo.blogspot.com/2006/08/whaling-jarpn-ii-fleet-returns-only-eai.html
)

Fin whales are apparently increasing in abundance in the Antarctic which is why Japan believes it’s important to start gathering information about them (see their JARPA II reesarch plans for info about this)

Sperm whales are also in abundance, with more than a million worldwide, by all estimates that I have seen.

Note that Japan isn’t hunting Blue whales or Right whales, which are still at very low levels of abundance pretty much everywhere globally.

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Comment by david@tokyo

October 24, 2006 @ 11:34 pm

holy smokes! where did my post go! hopefully just moderation, but I can’t see any indication of that, which makes me nervous :-)

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Comment by david@tokyo

October 24, 2006 @ 11:35 pm

Uh oh… but that post appeared… if you don’t see my big post in your moderation queue, please let me know and I’ll write that all over again :-) when I have time! if you do have it in moderation, then by all means delete this post :-)

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Comment by ken

October 24, 2006 @ 11:50 pm

Nothing in moderations dave…I hope it wasn’t lost. You don’t mean the post from 11:46am, right?

EDIT It got labelled as spam - I think a certain number of links do that. Sorry ’bout that.

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Comment by DeOrio

October 25, 2006 @ 12:02 am

Dave,
Don’t worry, your long 11:46 post is showing up. My lengthy repky is a mess, but we have your post w/ links - all working and accessible.

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Comment by david@tokyo

October 25, 2006 @ 1:19 am

Cheers! Sorry about all the links :-)

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Comment by ken

October 25, 2006 @ 1:26 am

One thing I was wondering:

If scientific whaling is necessary to determine stocks and populations (or for any reason), why entrust it to one country? Why not have an international consortium perform the task, thereby preventing one nation (or a few) from looking like the ‘bad guy’? Why not have it done under an international seafaring force, with the tests carried out by an international team, verified by a reputible third party and published in internationally known journals to be scrutinzed by the world’s scientific community? Is there something to hide?

And, as David points out, japan’s scientific whaling procedures are approved by the IWC. Of course they are! Japan would have to craft its plans with the sole purpose of being approved by the IWC, or else it would not be able to send out whaling ships at all. If Japan’s research methods did not pass muster with the IWC, there would be no issue, since there would be no whaling ships.

If it is true, as has been claimed, that whale consumption in Japan is on the rise, then it would seem the end goal for Japan’s whaling is human consumption, not scientific research. In other words, Japan is able to legally whale under the guise of ’science’ when the endgame is actually the dinner plate. Why the ruse? Why all the smokescreen arguments like ‘culture’ and ’science’ when the customers could just stand up and say, ‘we’re hungry for whale’?

How much mercury, EDC, PCB, or dioxin would you knowingly ingest?”

Knowingly, zero. Absolutely none is the only safe level for human consumption.

Why would it be shipped anywhere if someone wasn’t buying it?

X-boxes are being shipped to Japan, right? Again, just a case in pride.

It’s quite clear. Japan supports the principle of sustainable use of natural resources, and is afraid that if it caves on the whaling issue, it would set a bad precedent for Japan’s other industries that rely on this principle.

Hmm…I don’t see any Keidanren support of this, no METI echo on this, not a single bureaucrat voice this opinion. Japan, a nation with the ability to make $9 billion loans to Iraq, really doesn’t need to worry about securing a food source that really isn’t eaten much at all. It’s a slippery slope argument that no one in senior management at a large Japanese food importer would give credence to.

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Comment by John Sheridan

October 25, 2006 @ 2:20 am

I’m no expert - but it seems to me like something fishy is going on here!

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Comment by DeOrio

October 25, 2006 @ 10:05 am

Indeed it is, John.

David, my response is indeed quite mangled. I’ll clean it up when I get a few minutes, then get back to you. Forgetting to close blockquotes wreaks havoc.

Thanks for responding so quickly.

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Comment by david@tokyo

October 25, 2006 @ 1:15 pm

Ken,

The IWC runs it’s own research programme (supported by all IWC member nations), but only gather information explicitly required by the IWC’s Revised Management Procedure. This is the SOWER programme in the Antarctic, right at the moment. In fact, Japan is government that provides the research ship to the IWC for this purpose. No other nations have provided the IWC with any research vessels. Other nations have been requested to provide vessels, but so far none have stumped up.

The SOWER cruise last year was led by a New Zealand researcher, Paul Ensor.

Japan’s JARPA and JARPN programmes are indeed seperate from the SOWER programme, and the Japanese also use lethal methods to obtain data, which as noted by the Scientific Committee in previous reviews, is of actual use to them, and could be used to improve the Revised Management Procedure.

Note though, that the JARPA and JARPN results can be endorsed by the IWC Scientific Committee, if they agree with their methods.

And indeed, sightings surveys conducted by Japan in the North Pacific for example, were the basis for abundance estimates agreed upon by the IWC Scientific Committee. So Japan does have a track record of providing useful data that the IWC Scientific Committee has then reviewed and used,

> as David points out, japan’s scientific whaling procedures are approved by the IWC.

Well, they aren’t “approved”, but the IWC Scientific Committee has reviewed them, and passed much favourable comment on them. The IWC itself (the politicians) have often criticised them as unnecessary, which is natural for those anti-whaling nations who believe that whales should never be killed in the first instance.

IWC member nations can all issue scientific whaling permits, there is nothing stopping any nation from doing it. The IWC Scientific Committee does typically review the plans in advance, but even if they did criticise the plans it doesn’t prevent the nation from issuing the permit anyway. But, as reviews have shown in Japan’s case, the IWC Scientific Committee does indeed find value in the research results.

> If it is true, as has been claimed, that whale consumption in Japan is on the rise, then it would seem the end goal for Japan’s whaling is human consumption, not scientific research.

Ultimately, yes, but currently the research programmes are just a forerunner to proper commercial whaling, which would see higher catch limits set than are being taken under scientific permit.

In order to make for optimal use of whale resources on a sustainable basis (i.e., produce maximum possible commercial whaling catch limits), Japan believes that further research is required. They can set sustainable catch limits now, but due to uncertainties, these catch limits are necessarily very low to account for worst case scenarios. With more knowledge and certainty, higher catch limits may become possible. That’s Japan’s research motivation in the Antarctic.

The fact that so many anti-whaling groups talk about uncertainty in whale numbers etc, is evidence enough that Japan is right. More research would be of benefit to their cause.

> In other words, Japan is able to legally whale under the guise of ’science’ when the endgame is actually the dinner plate. Why the ruse?

It’s not a ruse. People don’t understand that Japan’s goal is not to hunt just the 850 minke whales in the Antarctic that it is hunting under scientific permit. With it’s research results, Japan hopes to make possible the commercial hunting at least 2,000 minke whales in the Antarctic (this is a figure the IWC Scientific Committee’s catch limit algorithm produced in the early 90’s), and most probably more - 3,000, 4,000, maybe 5,000. 5,000 for example is (roughly) 1% of the estimated abundance of minke whales in the Antarctic. Such a level of hunting is probably quite sustainable - but Japan needs scientific evidence to actually proove that this is the case.

So yes - they are hunting for food - as their ultimate goal. The current goal is research which will help them reach that goal - the whale meat by-products they get from research is not a commercial success, it doesn’t even cover the full cost of research, which the Japanese government tops up with taxpayer funds.

> Why all the smokescreen arguments like ‘culture’ and ’science’ when the customers could just stand up and say, ‘we’re hungry for whale’?

You’re right that this is the ultimate motivation :-)

> Knowingly, zero. Absolutely none is the only safe level for human consumption.

That’s not what I have heard.

> Japan … really doesn’t need to worry about securing a food source that really isn’t eaten much at all.

Like I said - principles and precedents.

Have you ever heard that Japan has a large dependancy on fisheries?

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Comment by DeOrio

October 28, 2006 @ 12:45 am

David,
Sorry I’ve been so late in getting back to you. Bear with me, it’s been a hectic few days. I’ll give your comments the time and attention they deserve as soon as I’m able, which I hope will be tomorrow afternoon.
Again, thanks for the comments and the debate.

Comment by Dorothy

February 7, 2008 @ 8:58 am

The issue is simple. Non-endangered whales should be allowed to be consumed as human food, particularly by those who have traditionally done so, be it the Inuits, Japanese, Norwegians, Aborigini, Maoris, etc.

The good news is, there aren’t enough whale-meat eaters out there and an increase in that population is not anticipated anyway. And thankfully, those who whaled for blubber and created a huge spike in demand (and catch) have apparently gone extinct, judging from the way the issue is covered in most countries where they came from.

Why make a fuss? I am very fed up with the way English media are covering this issue. As if they have the moral high ground in “protecting the poor whales” after all they did just to get blubber!

The current arrangement which allows only very controlled whaling and provides both meat for the consumers and valuable data for the researchers and resource managers is actually very helpful, although it may not have been the way either side of the debate intended.

Keep it that way. Make best use of Article 8 of the convention!(including the use and sale of meat!)

Comment by Garrett DeOrio

February 7, 2008 @ 1:39 pm

Dorothy, I agree with the sentiment. There are a number of points on which I beg to differ, though.

First, Japan has not traditionally consumed whale. There has long been some amount of coastal whaling, for the same reasons that Europeans and Americans engaged in whaling - mostly to get the oil. Considering that no Japanese sailor navigated a ship out of the sight of land intentionally until after John Manjiro’s return to Japan in the second half of the 19th Century, Japan certainly does not have a long history of expeditionary whaling. Whaling for food spiked just after WWII, when the American Occupation authority encouraged it to supply much-needed calories during some very lean times. WHale consumption peaked in the early 1960s and dropped off rapidly until the moratorium came into effect in the mid-’80s. Whale consumption is now less than 7% of what it was at its peak and sales of whale meat are heavily subsidized and consist largely of government-backed sales from government-backed depositories to government-backed institutions.

How much whaling is now done by Maoris or Aboriginal Australians? Some of the current Inuit whaling is still done for survival and is not done in sanctuaries on an industrial scale to prove a poltical point and line the pockets of a few well-connected individuals. Japanese, Norwegian, and Icelandic whaling are really not at all analogous to traditional, historical whaling for survival.

Financially, this is a disaster for Japan. It’s a heavily-subsidized, unprofitable industry. There is minimal actual demand for whale. The fact that the government is encouraging its use in school lunches and other public institutions is apalling, considering what we know about the toxicity of whale meat - it is simply not safe for human consumption. Of course, the government’s retort to this is unsupported gainsaying, a la “It’s safe.” No explanation.

Whaling today is not tightly controlled at all. Every country that engages in commercial whaling does so according its own rules. Japan’s limits are set and changed by Japan’s whaling body and, in practice, violate agreements Japan has signed.

The research thing is an open joke. I would be surprised if anyone actually thought any actual research was going on. The stated goals of the research are vague and don’t explain why hunting is necessary, much less in the numbers that are hunted. The Japanese Whaling Commission’s reports are not cited by cetologists, are not published in peer-reviewed journals, and are not publicized. There are a few poorly-researched, poorly-documented, unreviewed reports available for show purposes, but they are widely disregarded or ridiculed by even Japanese cetologists. Why? Well, the whales are processed as soon as they’re killed. No real, original research is being done.

I completely disagree with the idea that Anglophone sources cannot oppose whaling because Anglophone countries used to whale for oil. By that logic, no one in the Southern US should be opposed to racism or slavery. No one in Europe should be opposed to capital punishment. No one in any industrialized country should be opposed to polluting practices. No one in any country should be opposed to war. This line of reasoning would be absurd even if the opponents of whaling had actually been whalers themsleves - people can change their ways. Considering how few actual whalers there were, ever, around the world, it makes no sense to say that, for example, present-day Australians shouldn’t oppose whaling because people in Nantucket, over a century ago, were whalers and they spoke the same language.

Some Japanese people have committed crimes, therefore no one in Japan should oppose crime. Kind of silly, isn’t it?

Comment by Ken Worsley

February 7, 2008 @ 4:00 pm

Non-endangered whales should be allowed to be consumed as human food, particularly by those who have traditionally done so, be it the Inuits, Japanese, Norwegians, Aborigini, Maoris, etc.

Do the Inuits or Maoris travel thousands of kilometers away to pollute faraway oceans in giant whaling expeditions that burn up thousands of barrels of oil?

This is an amakudari issue. It is pure politics - getting easy, cushy jobs for retiring bureaucrats from the fisheries industry, and votes from certain coastal towns for the LDP - and has nothing to do with food sustenance.

Comment by Dorothy

February 7, 2008 @ 6:40 pm

So, Ken, are we in agreement that whaling off the coasts of Japan by coastal boats should not be banned, then?
That request was rejected at the IWC last year.
Are you just opposing whaling in the Southern Ocean?

And the reason the Japanese started to go that far for whales, I am sure you know why? I’m sure they would have been happy to stay nearer, which should have been possible without competition with westerners after blubber.

Comment by Ken Worsley

February 7, 2008 @ 7:04 pm

No, we’re not exactly in agreement.

It’s not my place to say what regulations Japan should enact to govern its sovereign territory and waters. What I mean is, it has the right to carry out whaling in its own territory should it see fit to do so.

Of course, nations give up some of those rights when they enter international agreements and treaties. Japan may have to reconsider some of those agreements.

But two things bother me, as someone who loves Japan and wants to see it take a stronger role in the world: 1) This is very bad, negative PR. It is not a battle worth fighting and the Japanese side has little, if anything to gain.

2) I don’t support the propping up of sunset industries. People in these communities would be better served by a government focused on getting them training and opportunities for jobs relevant to the 21st century. This is where ‘culture’ becomes a myth used to mask the real motive for this entire industry, which is cushy amakudari jobs for ex-bureaucrats. Why do ordinary Japanese have to suffer economically just to support a few rich members of the upper class? Why do our tax yen have to go to propping up sunset industries? As taxpayers, we should be concerned about such wasteful spending.

Comment by Garrett DeOrio

February 7, 2008 @ 9:00 pm

Dorothy, I think your timeline has a pretty big gap in it. The height of Western whaling near Japan was in the early days of the Meiji era, nearly 140 years ago. The argument that Western whalers killed off all the whales around Japan doesn’t make much sense, though, as it operates ont he assumption that, over a period of a century and a half, a population of whales sits in place. Whales migrate great distances and we’re talking over a century ago. Second, there wasn’t that much coastal whaling near Japan by Western vessels. The issue with Japan was that whaling vessels wanted to store coal in Japan and pick up fresh water here. Even if Western whalers had killed off most of the whales near Japan in the early Meiji era, for whales to be avoiding the area now would require some rather impressive communication and record-keeping amongst a variety of whale species, which would be a sure of very high levels of intelligence and awareness.

Even if Western whalers had killed off most of the whales near Japan, saying that Japan now has to hunt whales in Antarctic sanctuaries implies that Japan has to hunt whales, which it doesn’t. Japan has no shortage of other foods, whale is not a common or traditional food stuff in most of the country and there is vanishingly little legitimate market demand for it even now.

But even if Japan did have to hunt whales, what is the likely culprit for Japan’s dearth of whales close to the coast now? Is it Western whaling on sailing ships and, at the very end, steam ships almost a century and a half ago or is it the large-scale coastal whaling that Japan engaged in at the end of WWII?

You know what, though? I don’t think even Japan’s own coastal whaling is to blame. The most likely culprit, by far, is the fact that whales have to eat and that the waters around Japan, in many areas, are so dead, overfished, and polluted that there’s not much for whales to live on.

What I’ve been waiting for for a couple of years now is the answer to one question: Why should whaling be continued?

Comment by Dorothy

February 8, 2008 @ 1:04 am

Thanks fellows for your responses, just to clarify before I go to bed, I am not arguing for whaling in the Antarctic seas, (and opposition for that is easy to understand, particularly from Australia, aside from whether or not one buys it), but just wondering why the argument that we cannot even whale in our more adjacent seas (and again assuming only catches for non-endangered species). It’s been something I have been struggling to figure out for years.

By the way, whale meat HAS been part of the diet for many Japanese communities (with skin, blubber, everything used in full), although I am in no position to argue that they were the majority or mainstream. Does not several centries qualify as long enough?

And I repeat, I do not think whale meat consumption will increase significantly, and should stay well below the post-war levels when we relied on that as a valuable source of protein. Many people indeed associate whale meat with post-war poverty and are fed up with it, anyway.

I’ll perhaps write again tomorrow.

Good night!

Comment by Garrett DeOrio

February 8, 2008 @ 1:49 am

Are there not-endangered species in Japanese territorial waters? If so, it would be hard for other countries to object. As a Japanese taxpayer, seeing that the government pays for the hunt, then sells the meat to itself so that some corrupt people with connections can stay rich, I am fervently against it and would call it criminal. I am also very strongly against feeding it to children in schools, the elderly in nursing and convalescent homes, or the ill in hospitals, which is where the government puts pressure for purchase.

In short, I don’t think whales are cute and I don’t it is inherently wrong to kill anything. I don’t know much about Icelandic or Norwegian whaling programs, don’t live there, and don’t pay taxes there. I also don’t write on those countries, thus my opposition to Japanese whaling is stronger. This is largely because it disgusts me that a country worried about its low birthrate would poison its own children (and potentially mine!) It also strikes me as one more case of well-known corruption acting as a drain on the already world-beatingly strained coffers of the Japanese government, which I have to help fund.

As for the history, I will grant you that there are areas in Japan with a long history of coastal whaling. To the best of my knowledge, none of those communities still depend on anything other than industrial whaling, though - a far cry from traditional whaling - and all of them are subsidized for their troubles, so, in a word, no. Not good enough. Not valid.

Comment by Kraig

February 8, 2008 @ 2:25 am

A “long history” of anything has no bearing on whether it’s valid now. These aren’t the laws of math.

Comment by Garrett DeOrio

February 8, 2008 @ 3:32 am

Nicely put, Kraig, and with a succinctness I too often lack.

Comment by Ken Worsley

February 8, 2008 @ 6:28 pm

You know what, though? I don’t think even Japan’s own coastal whaling is to blame. The most likely culprit, by far, is the fact that whales have to eat and that the waters around Japan, in many areas, are so dead, overfished, and polluted that there’s not much for whales to live on.

Not sure about the rest of the country, but the bottom of Tokyo Bay looks like the moon.

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