Nanjing Falls to Japanese, something ensues. (南京事件 - “The Rape of Nanking” either does or doesn’t begin.)

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Posted by Garrett DeOrio at 10:19 pm on Tuesday, December 12, 2006

December 13, 2006
On this day in 1937, Nanjing (formerly known as Nanking in English), the ancient, walled capital of China, fell to the Japanese Imperial Army. The Chinese Nationalist Army apparently offered a feeble defense and were routed. After that, what happened becomes much, much, much less clear.

No matter what I write next, it will draw the ire of one side or the other. (Deep breath.)

What is known and generally agreed upon is that the Japanese Imperial Army believed Chinese Nationalist soldiers were hiding among the civilian population and continuing to fight. This is what led the Japanese to execute Chinese men of fighting age. They could have been soldiers, some perhaps weren’t.

It is also generally agreed that the chain of command and oversight weren’t what they could have been. Officers in the field operated with little clear instruction from their superiors and without what would now be called “rules of engagement.” Their superiors seemed to get even less direction from Tokyo than they gave to their subordinates. The fog of war lay heavily over Nanjing.

A number of historians seem to agree that what happened in Nanjing was at least partially the result of the confluence of a directive from Tokyo concerning the Battle of Shanghai and the bloody hand-to-hand nature of that conflict.

Since invading Manchuria and setting up the puppet state of Manchukuo under the “Last Emperor” of the Qing Dynasty, Puyi (known as the Kangde Emperor in Manchukuo), the Japanese Imperial Army had procured demilitarization agreements for parts of Northern China, although Manchukuo was not recognized internationally. Japan also enjoyed relatively free reign in Manchukuo and Northern China, as the Chinese Nationalist Kuomintang government under Chiang Kai-shek was embroiled in a civil war with the Chinese Communist Party.

In December of 1936, though, after the Xi’an Incident, when Chiang Kai-shek was arrested by the Japanese-supported Manchurian warlord Zhang Xueliang, the KMT and CCP decided to join forces to fight the growing threat from the Japanese Imperial Army.

The Japanese met increasing resistance until August 1937, when Chiang’s forces’ harassment of encroaching Japanese forces turned into a three month battle of attrition fought in the streets of Shanghai and the surrounding neighborhoods. Hand-to-hand combat was widespread, the vastly superior Japanese forces, while victorious, took heavy casualties and were surprised by the strength of the Chinese resistance, into which Chiang had put his energies in the vain hope that he would be able to attract support from sympathetic Western powers.

Fearing fierce resistance and unconventional tactics from the Chinese, Japanese officers proposed lifting the constraints of international law in dealing with Chinese combatants and had their wishes granted in a directive ratified by the Showa Emperor, Hirohito, which also advised that officers not use the term “prisoner of war,” on August 5th.

Knowing they would be defeated by the superior Japanese forces, the Chinese Army enacted a scorched earth policy as villagers and many residents of the city fled the approaching Japanese Imperial Army.

The Japanese broke the last lines of Chinese resistance on December 9th, just two days after, concerned with its prestige in its unprecedented occupation of a foreign capital, the Japanese Army issued a directive threatening their own soldiers with severe punishment should any of them dishonor the Japanese Imperial Army, commit illegal acts, loot, or cause fires, either by arson or by accident. Upon reaching the city wall, the Japanese dropped leaflets demanding the city’s surrender within twenty-four hours. The leaflets read:

The Japanese Army, one million strong, has already conquered Changshu. We have surrounded the city of Nanking… The Japanese Army shall show no mercy toward those who offer resistance, treating them with extreme severity, but shall harm neither innocent civilians nor Chinese military personnel who manifest no hostility. It is our earnest desire to preserve the East Asian culture. If your troops continue to fight, war in Nanking is inevitable. The culture that has endured for a millennium will be reduced to ashes, and the government that has lasted for a decade will vanish into thin air. This commander-in-chief issues bills to your troops on behalf of the Japanese Army. Open the gates to Nanking in a peaceful manner, and obey the following instructions.

Twenty-five hours after the leaflets were dropped, having received no Chinese envoy, General Matsui Iwane ordered an attack. The Japanese heavily shelled and bombed the city for two days, after which Chinese General Tang Sheng-chi ordered a retreat that immediately resulted in chaos as some Chinese soldiers attempted to blend in by stripping civilians of their clothing and others shot their fleeing comrades in the back; still others drowned attempting to swim across the frigid Yangtze River. When the Japanese entered the city on December 13th, they faced scant resistance.

Many Westerners had been in Nanjing, however, all but twenty-two fled the city, returning to their home countries, in the face of the Japanese advance.

The twenty-two who remained formed the International Committee for the Nanking Safety Zone, which was established in the western quarter of the city. The Japanese government had agreed not to attack parts of the city unoccupied by the Chinese military and the International Committee managed to persuade the Chinese government to move its troops out of the Zone. While stray Japanese shells hit the Zone during the attack, the Japanese Army did not directly attack the western quarter and killings and other atrocities committed in the Zone were fewer in number and severity than those committed in other parts of the city.

The International Committee for the Nanking Safety Zone elected Siemens businessman and Nazi Party member John Rabe, who apparently felt safe to remain in the city due to the German-Japanese Anti-Comintern Pact, as their leader. It is from his diaries and letters to officials in Germany, including Hitler, that much of what is known comes. Rabe was not the only Western diarist or letter writer in Nanjing, though.

Robert Wilson, in a December 15, 1937 letter to his family:

The slaughter of civilians is appalling. I could go on for pages telling of cases of rape and brutality almost beyond belief. Two bayoneted corpses are the only survivors of seven street cleaners who were sitting in their headquarters when Japanese soldiers came in without warning or reason and killed five of their number and wounded the two that found their way to the hospital.

And from December 18th:

They bayoneted one little boy, killing him, and I spent an hour and a half this morning patching up another little boy of eight who had five bayonet wounds including one that penetrated his stomach, a portion of omentum was outside the abdomen.

James McCallum, in a December 19, 1937 letter to his family:

It is a horrible story to relate; I know not where to begin nor to end. Never have I heard or read of such brutality. Rape: We estimate at least 1,000 cases a night and many by day. In case of resistance or anything that seems like disapproval there is a bayonet stab or a bullet.

John Magee, in a December 19th letter to his wife:

They not only killed every prisoner they could find but also a vast number of ordinary citizens of all ages…. Just the day before yesterday we saw a poor wretch killed very near the house where we are living.

The American missionary Minnie Vautrin, who saved many lives at the Gingling Girls’ College, in her diary on December 16th:

There probably is no crime that has not been committed in this city today. Thirty girls were taken from language school last night, and today I have heard scores of heartbreaking stories of girls who were taken from their homes last night—one of the girls was but 12 years old. Food, bedding and money have been taken from people. … I suspect every house in the city has been opened, again and yet again, and robbed. Tonight a truck passed in which there were eight or ten girls, and as it passed they called out “Ging ming! Ging ming!”—save our lives. The occasional shots that we hear out on the hills, or on the street, make us realize the sad fate of some man—very probably not a soldier.

Manchester Guardian correspondent H.J. Timperley, in a telegram blocked by Japanese censors in Shanghai and intercepted and decoded by the Americans when it was forwarded to the Japanese Embassy in Washington on January 17, 1938:

Since return (to) Shanghai (a) few days ago I investigated reported atrocities committed by Japanese Army in Nanking and elsewhere. Verbal accounts (of) reliable eye-witnesses and letters from individuals whose credibility (is) beyond question afford convincing proof (that) Japanese Army behaved and (is) continuing (to) behave in (a) fashion reminiscent (of) Attila (and) his Huns. (Not) less than three hundred thousand Chinese civilians slaughtered, many cases (in) cold blood.

The Japanese Army started by killing the Chinese soldiers, generally by shooting them on the banks of the Yangtze, so the bodies would fall into the river, but also by using them for live bayonet practice, decapitation (reportedly popular), nailing to trees, hanging, hanging by the tongue, immolation, and live burial, as well as summary executions on the streets of the city.

As many Chinese soldiers had attempted to hide amongst the civilian population, the execution of sodiers extended to any man of fighting age on the pretext that he may have been a soldier.

Exactly how much of what was done by the Japanese Imperial Army is a highly charged and highly controversial topic, but instances of everything soldiers were supposedly ordered not to do are well-documented. It is the extent of these crimes that forms the more legitimate portion of the controversy.

Soldiers of the Japanese Imperial Army looted, robbing rich and poor alike and, facing no Chinese resistance, dividing the booty as they saw fit, with the theft reaching all the way up to General Matsui himself, who received an art collection, stolen from a Shanghai banker, valued at approximately $2 million.

Arson was equally rampant, with estimates of the damage ranging from a third to two thirds of the entire city, including new government buildings, private residences, and other buildings of all sorts.

The atrocities that cause us to recoil even to this day, though, are the instances of rape and murder, often occurring as complementary acts, and carried out in unfathomably depraved manners.

Women, from infants to the elderly (reports of as old as 80) were raped and gang-raped, often in public during the day, and occasionally with family members forced to watch. The victims were often murdered through mutilation afterwards. Sons were forced to rape mothers, fathers were forced to rape daughters, there were even reports of men being forced to rape corpses.

Other women were sent to become “comfort women” in the Imperial Army’s brothels.

Gruesome modes of murder were not limited to men, in addition to the methods mentioned above, a three-hundred meter by five meter “Ten-thousand Corpse Ditch” was dug and was used as an execution site for as many men, women, and children as its name stated. (While estimates range from 4,000 to 20,000, many historians agree on a figure of somewhere between ten and twenty-thousand.) The bellies of pregnant women were prime targets for bayonets, often after the women had been raped, and there were even reports of babies being thrown into the air and caught on bayonets.

How much of the reports are true is difficult to gauge, although evidence of widespread theft, arson, rape, and murder were numerous and varied, even coming from Westerners who had expected the Japanese occupation of the city to be a positive step.

The body count seems to draw the most controversy. John Rabe estimated the city’s population prior to the its being taken by the Japanese Army at 200,000 to 250,000, but the atrocities occurred both within and without the city walls, in a greater Nanjing that had a population estimated at as much as 635,000 and also throughout the six-county “Nanjing Special Municipality.” While the Chinese government touts 300,000 as the official death toll and has offered estimates as high as 400,000, the consensus in Japan is generally between 100,000 and 200,000, with the International Military Tribunal for the Far east placing the death toll as being between 200,000 and 300,000 and the number of women raped at at least 20,000 and possibly as many as 80,000. (In cases where women were raped and murdered, then mutilated, burned, or buried, it can obviously be difficult to determine what happened conclusively.)

In addition, the dates that constitute the Nanjing Massacre are interpreted differently, with some historians considering the fall of Nanjing on December 13th and the Army’s entry into the Safety Zone in December 14th to be the starting point and some considering the fall of Suzhou on November 19th and the Japanese Army’s entry into Jiangsu province to be the beginning. Likewise, conservative estimates place the end of the massacre in early February, thus making it six weeks long, whereas others say it lasted into March 1938.

An Editorial Note

While I have endeavored to give as objective an account of what happened on this day in 1937 as possible, I am fully aware that there is nothing of the sort that will be universally regarded as such. What happened in Nanjing in December, January, and early February of 1937 (yes, something did happen), is as controversial a subject as any regarding the events of the wars of the 1930s and ’40s, culminating in World War II.

The issue of what exactly happened in Nanjing is particularly frustrating, as the people who spend the most time, money, and energy on the issue, and get the most publicity are those who have no interest in the honest academic study of history and, instead, represent one of the most egregious cases of the politicization of the field in modern events. This is true on both sides.

The fact that there are two distinct sides, with the middle being the quietest, least heard from section, and that the issue is most accurately discussed in terms of sides is deeply troubling as it leaves us with two extremes, neither accurate, neither interested in anything other than supporting their own agenda, and a middle, arrived at for the layman through taking the middle ground between two extremes, which is neither accurate not enlightening.

On the Japanese side, the most prominent figures seem to be those who seek to downplay or even deny the very existence of the Nanjing massacre. They are masters of distraction at best and laughable ultra-rightists at worst. The worst claim either that nothing at all happened, which is untenable, or that the Japanese Imperial Army was in fact a positive force in the city at the time, which is despicable. The deception comes in the form of shifting the focus from the actual issue at hand. Claiming that 143 photos of the massacre predated the event or were doctored is compelling evidence of Chinese propaganda and sows seeds of doubt, but it is not tackling the issue head-on. It is shifting the focus away from the events and onto the publicizing of the events, which is a separate issue. Moreover, the photo analysis technique is taking an essentially our-word-against-theirs approach, which is feasible now only because it pits current authors against journalists active 68 years ago. It is banking on the fact that people will not be so rude as to tell a man he’s spewing shit in public. Horseshit. Taisho Higashinakano, judging by his television appearances, chops logic with the best of them.

The other saddeningly effective distraction technique used is the tossing out of random, unsubstantiated, straight out of an uyoku’s ass, low figures, such as 26,000, or even 43. This is crude, but more effective than it should be. As people are inclined to think the mean of the two extremes must be the truth (which is logic worthy of Higashinakano), all one need do to change the “fair” figure is alter one of the extremes. Toss “43″ out and all of a sudden, you have not a debate between 100,000 and 300,000, but a debate with 43 as the lowball figure. Again, horseshit.

Calling for evidence is the right thing to do, but it is disingenuous to imply, or even explicitly state that the falsification or misuse of photographs proves a negative or does anything more than cast doubt on the issue. Is it not possible that the erroneous photographs mask atrocity as much as exaggerate it?

Finally, despite its noted unreliability, most criminal courts in the world still permit and even rely on eyewitness testimony. Eyewitness testimony that could exculpate certain individual Japanese soldiers is accepted, even touted by deniers, even as they claim that testimony of survivors is insufficient proof of what happened, that harder evidence is needed. What is being asked of survivors, though, is not the sort of detail necessary to a criminal trial - what brand of cigarettes Lieutenant So-and-so smoked or what exactly the General said to his underling. Such details are on the points on which eyewitness testimony breaks in criminal trials. What is being asked, though, is not detail to be used in prosecution, but the memory of whether or not a large-scale event occurred. An elderly Chinese woman may have forgotten a particular soldier’s name, if she ever knew it. She may not remember exactly what time of day she was stabbed, but whether or not she was ever raped or stabbed, whether or not her family was killed in front of her is not something she is likely to be mistaken about.

Those who were not there and write books, calling such testimony into question in the pursuit of their own defensive agenda, should at least have the honesty to face the witnesses directly and call them liars to their faces.

The “Japanese” side, or perhaps the “denial” side is not alone, though. The Chinese side, so-called here because its main proponent is the government of the PRC, is equally culpable in this massacre of historical and historiographical discipline.

That the Nanjing Massacre, the “Rape of Nanking,” has long been a lynchpin of Chinese propaganda, nor is such use of historical events necessarily contemptible. What causes the Chinese Communist Party to deserve the opprobrium of those interested in an attempt to understand events is that they are no more able to resist the temptation to spout exaggerations of their own extreme views than the Japanese.

It seems to have been the CCP that turned the Nanjing massacre into a quantifiable event, with body count being the measure of horror. The Nanjing Massacre Museum is an example of the ways in which the Chinese side is undermining its own arguments by shifting the focus from the type of actions to a body count and of diluting the truth on display with gratuitous lies.

The debate shouldn’t even be about how many were killed as that is an important, but ancillary point. The focus should be on, and the horror engendered by the very idea that a conquering army would attack and kill civilians at all, much less use torture and sadistic execution methods at all. The Chinese government is to blame, though, for making the number the important point, for making the amount of corpses the thing we should be concerned about, for turning an incidence of abject inhumanity into an accounting squabble.

The Nanjing Massacre Museum lists the number of dead at 300,000 and claims this is among the more conservative estimates, citing the apparently grossly exaggerated figure of 400,000 to demonstrate this. This is foolish, but to be expected of a Communist government. Everything in Communist propaganda tends toward the literal and what could be more literal than a number? To drive the horror home, just inflate the number. This is the same game the denial side plays when absurdly low numbers are pulled out of thin air. It obfuscates on both sides and is not the most relevant point. The deniers argue as though being able to show that the actual number of dead was a mere 100,000 would be a victory; the CCP’s numerical inflation has created this situation.

The Nanjing Massacre Museum illustrates CCP propaganda’s lack of subtlety or respect for the recipient’s intelligence and the unfortunate side effect that has of allowing trivial things to mitigate the force of arguments put forth on unequivocally serious topics.

In addition to the blatant lie that 300,000 is among the more conservative numbers given, the Museum spews cheesy canned haunted house music over what would be a stark memorial rock and sculpture garden, gives stage directions to visitors, telling them when to feel somber and so on, editorializes on every fact presented, telling us how awful the Japanese were, depicts all of the Japanese as remorseless, chortling killers, and ends with a display on how the Chinese Communist Party defeated Japan and forced the Emperor of Japan to surrender to the might of the Communist Party. Oh, and it goes without saying that the visitor is reminded at every step that the only way to prevent such tragedies in the future is to be united in socialism under the Chinese Communist Party.

All of this nonsense and unnecessary melodrama detracts from the memorialization of an event that needs no showmanship. Sadly, this ham-handed handling of history makes it possible to cast doubt on Chinese claims without drawing the derision that Holocaust deniers receive. China’s exaggeration and melodrama are undermining their own arguments and dragging the whole debate down into the morass of hyperbole where it wallows today.

A request

If I anticipated no response to this article, I would not have written it. All points of view are welcome and encouraged. Keep it civil, though. I also highly recommend that claims made, especially extraordinary ones, be substantiated.


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Comment by kyklops

December 13, 2006 @ 10:40 am

As you suggest, the “Japanese deniers” and the “CCP propagandists” are of a type in that, for them, an objective account of what happened is not really a goal.
I suppose a case could be made that the “deniers” are ultimately more morally reprehensible, because clearly something horrible happened in Nanjing, and it was carried out by members of the Japanese military. I’m not really sure, though, which is worse: denying the truth or exaggerating it.
In any case, both parties should probably be excluded from any serious inquiry as to what actually happened.

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Comment by ponta

December 13, 2006 @ 3:18 pm

Hi,
As for your article, the photos and the reports, the number you used, I am sure there will be some people who would shed doubts on them, but the sufficient number of historians are positive about the massacre. Nanjing massacre DID happen, and that was the horrible crime.

I think this issue, too often, has been approached in view of nationalism.

In my opinion , “The rape of Nanking” by Iris Chang was a product of nationalism as much as the so-called deniers was a product of nationalism.
If the Iris Chang’s book is valuable in that it made people all over the world realise that there was such horrible massacre , by the same token, the video in which Higashinakano explains the photos, can be described as valuable in that it made people realise that there is issues concerning so-called the rape of Nanjing,
In truth, I think both works is a clumsy show.

When talking about the dark cruel part of the nation by other nationals, the likely response is the denial just as when your realise your fatal decease.
When James Bacque, a Canadian, published the book “Other losses” and claimed

“After World War II, an estimated ten million Germans, both soldiers and citizens, were incarcerated in Allied prison camps. Due to negligence, varying from exposure to starvation, from gunfire to physical abuse, over 1.5 million of these prisoners lost their lives”,

the fierce “criticism” took place among American historians., I am not sure if it is right to call those historians denier or not. But they would be right in criticizing the book if the photos of the dead Germans outside prison camps and the fake captions were used.
. Other Losses and The Rape of Nanking
When the Smithsonian Institution planed to include artifacts intended to remind museum visitors of the tens of thousands who were killed or injured in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.it offended many veterans and their supporters, and their outcries resulted in the director of the National Air and Space Museum , Harwi’s resignation,
Rediscovery of the Nanjing Massacre in the United States
(Note that I am not committed to the validity of the book or controversy but I am just presenting the reaction to the controversial historical past.)

I think this issue should be put in the wider perspective so that the study of it can contribute to the future generation of any nationals.

I think a good historian and a good political scientist are doing just that.
Herbert Bix wrote:

“In short, Nanking 1937 needs to be read in a way that highlights the universal within the particular. Set it against the background of the Russian rape of German women in postwar occupied Germany (1945-49), or the French torture of civilians during the Algerian War (1954-62) or the American atrocities at No Gun Ri hamlet early in the Korean War (1950-53). Compare the logic of Japan’s campaign in 1930s China with the American colonial war of aggression in Iraq, now generating war atrocities on a virtually daily basis, or with the American murder of Afghanis prisoners at the U.S. Baghran air base in Afghanistan, or the American mistreatment of war prisoners held in cages at the U.S. Guantanamo base in Cuba. And don’t forget the lessons of the atrocities in Nanking when reading of the atrocious policies that Israeli governments (past but especially present) pursue against the Palestinians for the sake of Israeli “settlements” and “outposts” built illegally on stolen land. ”
Bix

Rudolph J. Rummel is
one of the political scientist who I think deals with fairly how and why massacre and democide occur at all.(BTW in hisestimate,” While the final toll of the American transit camps was far from that alleged by Bacque, it still could have reached 56,000 dead”, but the
estimate would vary from a researcher to a researcher).

I have no intention to evade the issue. It is not only in Nanjing but also in other place of China and Philippines, Hong Kong etc that Japanese massacred POW and civilians. Japanese should know the atrocity Japan has done during WWⅡ. At the same time, I think we need the attitude that highlights the universal within the particular in Bix’s words. The nationalistic blame or denial is fruitless. And by starting looking into the dark past of his/her own nations, people begin to realize that it is his/her own benefit to study it. By doing so, I believe the study can benefit Japanese, Chinese, or anybody who is concerned about insanity into which anybody can fall in a specific circumstance.

Please feel free to criticise

Comment by Ken

December 14, 2006 @ 1:04 am

I think the fact is that whatever happens, there will always be some people standing around saying, “It didn’t happen,” and there will be other people standing around saying, “It was much worse than that.”

In a sense, both positions are products of the same drive: the human drive to interpret events according to an agenda and make them fit into what we have been conditioned to believe is true.

The major question is what does each side have to gain from their stance? For the deniers, suppose they achieve their goal of having the event wiped from all history books in the world. No one believes it happened and no one would even claim it did. This is impossible, yet is the sort of victory they would need to achieve in order to ensure that no seed of doubt that the event actually happened ever enters another human mind.

The goal is, of course, ridiculous. Even by engaging in debate, they acknowledge that there is something to be discussed, that their position is hardly convincing.

Nonetheless, imagine they achieve the goal of convincing every human alive that the event did not happen. What do they gain? Does it change the current order of things? Do they actually believe that the nation will regain some sort of purity or moral higher ground? What of the other atrocities that were committed in that country’s name? Are they to be argued against one by one until all are declared to never have happened?

The denier’s task is futile. Even victory, which is impossible, brings him no benefit.

What of the other side? Claiming the event had 125%, double or even ten times the number of actual victims - what is to be gained? Are atrocities measurable on a scale of body count? The true gain is the power of deflection that a government can gain. “Your lives suck because these monsters did this to you,” type of lines can be preached…

Comment by John S

December 15, 2006 @ 3:03 pm

I don’t think it’s fair to say that the body count is insigbificant. Sure, some crazy numbers get thrown out, but in the end it is a valuable indicator of how serious the incident was.

Comment by DeOrio

December 15, 2006 @ 3:30 pm

Yes, it is an indication, but I meant to stress that it was not the be-all and end-all of it. The nature of what happened cannot be expressed simply by a body count. If we focus too much on body counts, we get into ranking historical atrocities, which should be avoided. Was the Nanking Massacre OK because it paled in comparison to the death toll of the Cultural Revolution? Was the Cultural Revolution worse than the Holocaust? Was the nearly successful genocide in Rwanda more or less important than the Holocaust? Is it OK to ignore the genocide in Darfur because it’s not yet up to Rwanda’s numbers?

Bickering over the number is one thing, making the number the central issue is obfuscation and diversion.

If people would refuse to be drawn into the death toll debate, they could nullify a lot of the pointless naysayers and focus on more serious issues.

Comment by Steve Shea

December 28, 2006 @ 5:00 am

Admirable restraint in tone and perspective. Can the author provide links for the quotations? I’m not yet familiar enough with the literature on the Massacre to furnish them myself.

Comment by luf

December 31, 2006 @ 3:53 pm

it is a shame that still so many japanese trying so much to deny such a massacre, or arguing how many civilians had been killed, 300,000 or 100,000. What is the different between these two numbers? 100,000 would make Japanese look good or not criminal?

I have happened met an old farmer in NE China a month ago, he metioned a village not far from where he lives, had got massacre by japanese in WWII, nobody survived in this village.

Such a thing happened in many places and many times. The only difference is, the villages were not as big as Nanjing, so the victims were not as many as Nanjing.

It is inhuman to deny such massacres, and it is a shame that still so many japanese denying that.

Comment by Ken Worsley

December 31, 2006 @ 4:21 pm

it is a shame that still so many japanese trying so much to deny such a massacre

I’m not sure what you mean by “so many japanese trying so much to deny.” It just seems so vague and sweeping. Is it based on some sort of poll numbers?

Comment by Fan Zhang

January 21, 2007 @ 9:14 pm

Here is one: http://tamagawaboat.wordpress.com/

Comment by Carol

February 2, 2007 @ 3:51 pm

I could not understand why they all concentrate on what happened in Nanjing. They should compare it with the total number of Chinese and Asians killed by the Japanese Army during the 1930s and 1940s. 300,000 is not that significant.

Comment by DeOrio

February 2, 2007 @ 11:03 pm

Well, that is done. Estimates of the total number of people kiled or imprisoned by the Japanese Army are often cited.
As for focsuing on Nanjing, I don’t see that as detracting from atrocities committed in other places. Drawing attention to a high-profile, particularly heinous event is an effective way of driving the point home. Just hearing total numbers doesn’t have the same impact as a detailed account of one particular event.

Nanjing was also especially significant because it was the capital of China, so it’s fall was a significant event not only in terms of the abuses that took place, but also in terms of the wider war.

Comment by nancy

April 9, 2007 @ 7:34 am

NANKING MASSACRES IS AN UNDENIABLE FACT!!
THOSE JAPANESE THAT ARE DENYING IT ARE JUST ASHAMED OF THEIR PAST

REFER TO :
http://www.nankingmassacres.blogspot.com

Comment by ken

April 9, 2007 @ 12:35 pm

Nancy, you’re not going to like to hear this, but:

Whether you’re right or not sometimes doesn’t matter as much as how you present your argument. Typing it on our website in all caps hardly helps yourself. This isn’t Japan Today.

Comment by Jasmune

June 29, 2007 @ 11:14 pm

Hey
Thank you for informing me on the issue, i am totally horrified of the Japanese and they still don’t admit it!!! Thank you, i am such the vitims would want justice for thier treatment
jasmine

Comment by DeOrio

June 30, 2007 @ 9:32 am

Jasmine, we’re always glad to inform. Thanks for stopping by.

I would make one important distinction, though - most Japanese people admit and accept Japan’s responsibility for the country’s (or at least the country’s military’s) actions during the War. The government of Japan is, well, a different issue.

Don’t be horrified by the Japanese today - they’re generally good folks. Don’t forget what happened either, though.

I hope you’ll pay us a visit again.

Comment by Paul J. Scalise

July 1, 2007 @ 4:13 pm

A very balanced and impressive overview of this thought-provoking historical issue. Thanks for your efforts.

I just came across your site recently and I think it’s one of the best on Japan in English, compared to some of the garbage that’s out there. I look forward to reading more articles by you, Deorio. Keep up the good work.

Comment by DeOrio

July 1, 2007 @ 8:24 pm

有難う御座います。I appreciate the kind words. It seems you have also come upon the path to a good Japan site, which I view as the simple acknowledgement that there’s more to Japan than bikini girls and anime.

I like the idea of a well-reasoned review of books on Japan. For those of us with more to learn than time in which to learn it, it’s nice to know that someone is trying to separate the wheat from the chaff. Keep it up.

Comment by Zhugeliang

August 29, 2007 @ 10:39 pm

A shitty poor read. The author doesn’t bother to cite his source. We shan’t bother to take this entry seriously. Nanjing Massacre happened, its the just the numbers that are up for debate.

Comment by DeOrio

August 30, 2007 @ 9:11 am

Seeing as your zinging comment is pretty much exactly what I wrote in the article, it appears you’re a shitty poor reader. The royal “we” is a bit presumptuous for one who’s semiliterate. Thanks for taking the time to read it, though.

Comment by Steve Schapiro

August 30, 2007 @ 10:11 am

I’m onto you now, DeOrio. I thought you were calm and cool, but I now know exactly how to push your buttons, I think.

I think Zhugeliang just did it. Maybe Nancy, too.

Don’t worry, though, I know you’re not a Nanjing Massacre denier (at least not completely.)

Zhugeliang, WTF is a “shitty poor read”? “Shitty” is not an adverb and “shitty poor” doesn’t work as a compound adjective. Is “shitty poor” a double negative? Shitty at being poor, so it’s good?

Comment by Beejee

December 3, 2007 @ 8:18 am

Its very sad that people out there deny the massacre and slaughter of innocent civilans. I hope people dont forget history or there more likely to repeat the same mistakes

Comment by Beejee

December 3, 2007 @ 8:22 am

Well the file on the wartime atrocities will be opened up in the U.S. this year in 2008. Well see if the President extends it for 10 more years. Japan has changed but its only fair to acknowledge the familys who have been killed. They want them to admit to their war crimes, THAT AT LEAST IS FAIR

Comment by Luke the skywalker

December 5, 2007 @ 7:35 pm

to DeOrio,

what you wrote in that article are misleading and ridiculous.to deny the japanese atrocity during wwII is shameless and futile, massacre in Nankin indeed happended, and victimized countries in Asia will not forgive the japanese war crimes unless japan shows remorse and repent. what is the point to argue? have you heard of international Military tribunal Far East? those war criminals(including murderers in nankin masscare) were already sentenced and executed.

German condemns the nazism and nazi war crimes during wwII, why can’t japanese people learn from Germans?

most importantly, japan is the prepatrator and invader during the wwII. japanese atrocity and crulety is well-known and documented by the Americans,Australians and British fought the japanese.

Comment by DeOrio

December 5, 2007 @ 8:58 pm

Luke, buddy, I’m going to give you a second chance. Why don’t you go ahead and actually read what I wrote? If you do that, I think you’ll find that you agree with me.

After you’ve actually read what I wrote, you’re more than welcome to criticize me. Until then, you’re simply being insulting.

Comment by David

December 14, 2007 @ 2:46 pm

Comment by Ken Worsley

December 31, 2006 @ 4:21 pm

“it is a shame that still so many japanese trying so much to deny such a massacre”

I’m not sure what you mean by “so many japanese trying so much to deny.” It just seems so vague and sweeping. Is it based on some sort of poll numbers?

Comment by DeOrio

June 30, 2007 @ 9:32 am

Jasmine, we’re always glad to inform. Thanks for stopping by.

I would make one important distinction, though - most Japanese people admit and accept Japan’s responsibility for the country’s (or at least the country’s military’s) actions during the War.

…most Japanese people admit and accept…

I’ve said those sorts of things in the past too, but then again, that’s really just based on personal impressions. As Ken Worsley mentioned earlier in referring to another post: This seems vague and sweeping. Any recent, detailed poll numbers to back that statement up?

Comment by Garrett DeOrio

December 14, 2007 @ 3:49 pm

Fair enough, David. While I’ve seen polls suggesting that the occurrence of the Nanjing Massacre is generally accepted, I cannot vouch for their objectivity and, in fairness, would have to say that they were probably unscientifically conducted (judging by the methodology of most other opinion polls on such issues.)

So, no, I do not have any recent, detailed poll numbers for which I can vouch, handy. What I can do is rephrase my statement of six months ago and explain why I made such a sweeping statement.

I wrote what I wrote in an attempt to quickly differentiate between the actions of the Japanese Imperial Army during the War and the Japanese people now. Unfortunately, we’ve seen quite a few comments here from people who use the Nanjing Massacre as an excuse for anti-Japanese prejudice. Comments screaming an uninteresting, given statement with no thought to the context or content of the discussion.

Jasmine’s was not one of those, but it did worry me that she said she was “horrified of the Japanese and they still won’t admit it.”

What I should have said was:

I have seen nothing to suggest that denial of the Nanjing Massacre is anything close to a universal trend in Japan and have found, anecdotally, but consistently, that many, if not most, people in Japan admit that the Imperial Army was guilty of some amount of horrendous behavior and that the refusal to admit guilt for past aggressions and sins is weaker and less prominent in Japan than in any other country I have visited (certainly less than Japan’s neighbors.)

It is no more fair or reasonable to feel ill will towards ordinary Japanese people today because of what the Japanese government and military did during the War than it is to hold the Chinese in contempt because of what happened during the Cultural Revolution or the Chinese government’s treatment of Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, or Tibet.

Using the Nanjing Massacre, or any wartime incident, to justify or support racism against the Japanese today is every bit as despicable as the racism and prejudice used by the Japanese government and Imperial Army to support and justify such atrocities.

Comment by Ken Worsley

December 14, 2007 @ 6:10 pm

it is a shame that still so many japanese trying so much to deny such a massacre

That comment was made by “Luf”

Comment by Garrett DeOrio

December 14, 2007 @ 10:47 pm

David was quoting you responding to Luf and contrasting it with me responding to Jasmine, thus showing that I was doing, in defense of ordinary Japanese, what you were criticizing Luf for doing in attacking them.

Comment by Ken Worsley

December 15, 2007 @ 1:13 am

That’s confusing.

Comment by tom tuo

January 1, 2008 @ 5:15 am

Thanks for an interesting read and what is clearly an attempt at an objective take on a very sensitive issue. However, in your attempt to be fair, I think you’ve been too critical of the Chinese side and those that condemn the Japanese view that de-emphasizes their past crimes and what is an important part of history.

Based on your accounts, it appears that the organization of the Nanjing Museum inappropriately exaggerates the estimates of the death toll and otherwise presents a biased view of the event. However, I believe your mistake is extrapolating the presentation in one museum to represent the position of the entire Chinese government (or the country itself?). Also, while certain interests in China and other Asian countries have exaggerated the extent of the Japanese crimes against them, I hardly find this as troublesome as the efforts of those in Japan that seek to deny the same crimes altogether. Your case that suggests both sides are equally at fault is like saying the family of a murder victim that condemns that murderer as a purely evil man is equally at fault as the murder who denies his crime and admits to no culpability. Today, many consider the Nazi party and all of its past members as pure evil. Even if this is a bit of a exaggeration and not the most accurate representation of history (for example, John Rabe was a Nazi but did many good things in Nanjing), I hardly find this view as troublesome as those that seek to deny the crimes of the Nazi party altogether.

I believe in your attempt to be impartial, you miss what really needs to happen here: Japan must stop denying its responsibility for many of the tragedies of the 20th century. By starting to go down this path, it is clear that many of the regional tensions in Asia would be alleviated.

I know and regret that many in China and Asia are prejudiced against all Japanese people, in large part because of the country’s past wartime atrocities and their current treatment of those events. However, I can’t help but emphsize with these feelings even as I disagree with them.

Comment by tom tuo

January 1, 2008 @ 5:18 am

*emphasize

Comment by Ken Worsley

January 1, 2008 @ 8:14 am

Japan must stop denying its responsibility for many of the tragedies of the 20th century.

Tom Tuo, I was wondering if you could offer some proof of Japan “denying its responsibility” that you talk about.

Comment by Terre

January 24, 2008 @ 10:23 am

Was recently confronted about the Nanjing Incident. I am not even a Japanese national but was told “you people” should apologize. Since then, I have been doing my own research on the subject.

I recently read a paper by David Askew where he writes:
“Sadly for the historian, however, the Nanjing Incident is also emerging as a fundamental keystone in the construction of the modern Chinese national identity. As a result, the historian’s interest in and analysis of this event can be interpreted as an attack on the contemporary Chinese identity, while any demonstrated interest in Nanjing can be viewed in some circles in Japan as Japan bashing or self-flagellation. In this environment, the historian’s struggle to maintain objectivity can quickly fall victim to the demands of contemporary politics.”

Also in the same paper I found this bit of information credited to Ian Buruma–
“The Chinese diaspora has played a major role in bringing the Nanjing Incident to international attention. There is no simple explanation for the fact that overseas Chinese in countries such as the USA have felt the need to place so much emphasis on the atrocities at Nanjing. The desire for a strong national identity is understandable, but it is difficult to explain why victimhood should play such a crucial role in the construction of this identity. It is possible that a shared sense of outrage and victimhood helps create links between members of the community. It is perhaps even possible that, as at least one American journalist has speculated, within a system of preferential treatment, there are social, political and economic gains to be had from being defined as a member of an ethnic group that has suffered a mass atrocity.”

What do you think?

Comment by Garrett DeOrio

January 24, 2008 @ 2:04 pm

I definitely agree with that second part. Sometimes I wonder if there’s a widespread or even inherent human desire to be cast as a victim (I don’t think anyone in his right mind actually wants to be a victim.) There’s a reason that actual victims, of any crime or atrocity, tend to stay quiet and their descedants or associates cry victim. I feel terrible, of course, when I hear the actual victims’ stories, even worse when I see obfuscation on the part of those whol hold responsibility, and worst of all when I see those who should be supporting the victims using that tragedy for their own advancement.

I would add to the examples you quote above, the idea that has been floated here and elsewhere that focusing on the atrocities at Nanjing deflects attention from atrocities perpetrated by the Chinese government and acts to instill fear, thus keeping people in line. To give a clearer example of what I mean, think of the more contemporary example of the way the Bush administration has used September 11th.

This is frustrating because, as I’ve said many times before, I think the Japanese government should issue an unqualified apology, but I really can’t be confident in saying that that’ll bring an end to the harm the atrocities have done to Sino-Japanese relations because I am quite sure the Chinese government will react to such an apology in bad faith and might even use it to lash Japan again.

We keep coming back to those questions of how long is long enough? What can make up for such atrocities? How much responsibility do descendants bear and to how much are descendants entitled?

Comment by Terre

January 24, 2008 @ 2:19 pm

Although I have not found any poll numbers taken among the Japanese population concerning the Nanjing Incident I did find information on a survey that was sent to all the Nanjing researchers of the three schools of thought, (Illusion, Middle and Greater)in Japan. If you read this paper you will also find that the researches have been revising their numbers downward largely due to new primary materials as well as Rabe’s Diary. (I need to read this book before the movie comes out this year.)

The following was taken from Dave Askew’s paper
“The Nanjing Incident”
“Recent Research and Trends”
published in Article 1 in 2002
First published in ejcjs on 4 April 2002

“…A conservative Japanese magazine of opinion, Shokun! sent out a questionnaire to which almost every important (living) researcher of the Nanjing Incident in Japan replied. [14] The questionnaire was sent to both academic and lay members of all three groups…
…This questionnaire provides the most detailed summary of the debate in Japanese circles about the Nanjing Incident that I am aware of. It was an impressive coup to have gained replies from so many researchers in Japan, and to have made it possible to paint a picture of an emerging consensus about Nanjing in Japan.”

Hope I am not boring you out there, it’s just, this seems to be such a controversial issue and highly emotional one as well. Geez, afterall I had someone in my face because of this and found myself on the defense not because I held an opposing belief but because of my ancestry. sigh.

I understand that a large number of people died and atrocities were committed, but I still think it’s my duty to make an informed decision.

Comment by Terre

January 24, 2008 @ 2:32 pm

I don’t know how long one has to pay for the sins of their fathers.

Being a third generation American Japanese I will admit I can sort of sympathize, but that does not mean what the Japanese government did should be overlooked or condoned. It was a crime. And sadly it’s the people who suffer on both sides.

My parents used to always say “War make men crazy” and I agree.

Comment by Garrett DeOrio

January 25, 2008 @ 3:52 pm

Terre, don’t worry, you’re not boring anyone at all - this is precisely what a comment thread is for.

Ah, Shokun! Take it with a grain of salt. While interesting tidbits do come out of the shukanshi on occasion, they are most decidedly not above sloppy research, tweaking research, or wholesale fabrication. If you see contradictory results at some point, just keep in mind that Shokun! might not have actually talked to any researchers.

Such caveats aside, I can certainly see an argument for revising figures downwards. It all depends on downwards from what. From 300,000? By counting only those people killed within the actual city walls of Nanjing? By attempting to estimate the total number of soldiers and/or resisters and subtracting them from the body count?
Part of the trouble with numbers is that they are subject to many different definitions and interpretations. Are civilians who were killed shortly after the Japanese army left Shanghai part of the catchment zone for the Nanjing Massacre?

Definitions, definitions. As long as researchers make a good faith effort to clearly define what it is they’re counting and make their sources and information public, I see no problem with changing estimates. As I said in the original article, it’s not the number that really matters anyway.

As for having to defend yourself, don’t worry about jackasses who attack you for being of Japanese descent. If you were a citizen, it could be argued that you could attempt to change the policies of your government, but as you’re American, you have no more control over what Japan does or has or hasn’t done than any WASP of your age. This brings us back to your original comment above, to which I can only say, “Yep.”

Comment by Agnes

January 25, 2008 @ 7:27 pm

It’s shocking that people still attempt to deny what happened and you allow them to keep it up by legitimatizing their numbers game.

Comment by Nick Jacks

February 29, 2008 @ 3:29 pm

I have just returned (2/27/08) from Shenyang, China and visiting the memorial there. One trip through and you will no longer doubt the severity of what happened.

Comment by Garrett DeOrio

February 29, 2008 @ 4:08 pm

Is that a general “you,” as in a person who visits the Nanjing Massace Museum (which I have visited) will no doubt the severity of what happened or that “you” me? If the latter, I would ask only that you read what I actually wrote before lecturing me on the issue.

Comment by Ken Worsley

February 29, 2008 @ 4:27 pm

Agnes, could you cite some evidence of “legitimatizing their numbers game”?

Because I just don’t see any.

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